. >> this is what kathleen sebelius had to say on the "the daily rundown." >> so it's a relatively small but for those people it's real. i think the president felt keeping the commitment people should be able to stay on their own plans is something he felt was important. >> so that was from an event in detroit today. clearly such an uncomfortable position for cabinet secretary. >> true. relatively few number of people, goes to the heart of the credibility how it was sold. not complicated, going on amazon, get a new plan, keep your plan if you like it. that has proven not to be the case. the bigger issue here, if young healthy people are not signing up, the whole thing doesn't work. if they are keeping to their own plans, which obama care in washington says are substandard it doesn't work. they have a website that doesn't work. so the big question is when does this start working. democrats on the hill doesn't know the answer to that, the president doesn't know the answer to that. >> as susan page was saying yesterday, when you start pulling on the thread of a sweater and it starts unravel